In Ep 2 of here@haas, host Paulina Lee interviews Kelly Cure (FT MBA ‘21). This is our second official student interview of the new here@haas series! Learn how Kelly went from a traditional consulting job at Deloitte to living in Swaziland to Haas. The reasons why she changed her mind about going to bschool and what her experience has been like so far as a Haasie and creating a new social impact company, FIT’D.
On living in Swaziland – “I think one of my biggest takeaways was that the way every society does things is different and beautiful in its own way.”
Advice to people considering bschool – “My advice would be to trust your gut above anything…spend a little bit of time finding your trusted group of advisors.”
Podcasts Recommendations: Revisionist History, Catch and Kill, On Being + Becoming Wise, and How I Built This. Here’s the link to the song that Kelly shared: https://bit.ly/LockdownVox
Correction Notes: Please note Kelly Cure is class of 2021, not class of 2022 as stated in the episode.
[00:00:00] Paulina Lee: This is the here@haas podcast, connecting you to Haasies from full-timers to EWs to EMBAs and the professors that change our lives. I’m Paulina Lee, and this week we are joined by Kelly Cure from the full-time program class of 2022. Thanks for coming on the show today, Kelly. How’s your weekend been?
[00:00:19] Kelly Cure: It’s been great. It’s been a cozy, rainy one. But it’s been a good weekend and thank you so much for having me. This is a fantastic program, and it’s an honor.
[00:00:29] Paulina Lee: Yeah. Well, we’re so excited to have you. Let’s dive right in. After starting your career in management consulting 10 years ago, you’ve gone on to have a very impressive career, working and living in three different continents, across eight different countries as a sustainability consultant, founder of two businesses, in-house head of strategy, and renewable energy developer. Can you share a little bit more about your background before coming to Haas?
[00:00:52] Kelly Cure: I mean, the older you get, the more experiences you have. So that’s quite a laundry list at this point. And I think I’ve always sort of gravitated towards newness. I always wanted to challenge myself and try something new instead of going super deep into one area. I think when I started out of undergrad, I just wanted a job that would allow me to be really challenged and allow me to travel a lot.
[00:01:15] And that’s what led me to management consulting. Then after a few years in the US I was really itching to live abroad and manage global teams across different countries. I was with Deloitte at the time and they were wonderful in letting me move to London where I got to do that. I got to work across Europe. I got to visit Africa for the first time. That sort of ended up changing my trajectory. Because after seeing what life was like, I spent about a month between Zambia and Tanzania. I came back to London and just thought I have so much to learn from developing countries – from people who live there, from the culture, from the way businesses are grown and run.
I sort of made it my mission to figure out where I could learn the most and that wasn’t a quick transition. That took a while. That was about a year of making that my second full time job of cold calling friends, cold calling people on LinkedIn, interviewing for jobs to learn more and just trying to figure out where I could use my skills for management consulting. And that led me to Swaziland, which is now called Eswatini, for a job of assessing renewable energy potential in the country. Then I ended up joining them full time. I was doing many different things at once for them. I was developing a specific power plant that was biomass and solar, but I was also their in-house head of strategy. And then they ended up also giving me funding to start a business that was synergistic to their work and allowed me to grow more experts in an area that they weren’t fulfilling the demand. And also create more jobs. So that was probably the biggest challenge that I had had to date; starting a business, learning how to hire, learning how to fire, unfortunately, and doing all that in a totally new culture and in a new business setting. It was just really invigorating.
The only way to sum it up was I was my own devil’s advocate, and I was my biggest cheerleader at the same time. I felt like I was balancing those two things on a daily basis.
I stayed for four years. And it didn’t set out to stay for that long, but it just kept one thing after another. And finally, towards the end, it felt right to go back to school and it felt right to be closer to family.
The US had changed so much since 2012 since the last time that I’d properly lived in the US and I was also curious about connecting to my own home country again. Business school offered such an amazing opportunity to do that.
[00:03:47] Paulina Lee: That’s great. Couple of questions about your experience in Swaziland. You’re there for four years; what were the biggest things that you learned? What were your three biggest takeaways from your time there?
[00:03:57] Kelly Cure: Really good question. I think one of my biggest takeaways was that the way every society does things is different and beautiful in its own way. And the way we operate in America is so different than people operate in Swaziland.
The way that the government’s run, the way that businesses are run, the culture, what’s acceptable and what’s not, the way we communicate with each other. I just sort of leaned in and enjoyed learning the differences.
[00:04:27] That was like a big takeaway for me, not to feel like there’s a right or wrong, but both are beautiful. One of my biggest takeaways was that I can operate independently. I can start my own business. I can do independent consulting work.
[00:04:42] I don’t need to be under the umbrella of a big organization to do that. And that was really empowering. So that was a big takeaway.
[00:04:49] Paulina Lee: So, you’re there for four years and was there a single moment where you’re like, Aha! This is the time that now I want to go back home and go to school, or is it just something you had been thinking about for a while?
[00:05:01] Kelly Cure: There was not a single moment I was really thinking hard about what I wanted to do. I really didn’t think I wanted an MBA. That was a degree that I did not research. I started researching a bunch of different types of degrees, looking into behavioral economics.
I was always really fascinated by that. I just thought an MBA felt a little too corporate for me at the time. And I had advice eventually after researching for probably about three months and looking at different programs around the world, a friend who gives me amazing advice. He’s a composer.
He comes from a non “business background”, but he’s a really business savvy individual. And he said, “Kelly, the MBA isn’t what it used to be. It brings a ton of creative people in. It holds a lot of water when it comes to being a very challenging degree. But you want to be an outsider in an MBA program, you’d actually be part of the diverse makeup. You’d be part of the fabric.” And once I started listening to him and talking to friends who had gotten their MBA, I thought if I can find a program that has a creative mix of people in a really diverse program in a city that is also diverse as sort of in an ecosystem within an ecosystem that I felt comfortable and then an MBA might be something amazing for me.
[00:06:17] Paulina Lee: I think that’s so interesting and such a great point too, because I think, you know, growing up, there’s this specific stereotype for B school. Either you have kind of the set of people that really want to go – they’ve set their sights on it for a long time. Then you have this other set that kind of like – “Ah, I don’t know.”
[00:06:35] But then we end up here and we’re like, “Wow! This is a great experience.” You’re obviously at Haas, but how did you choose?
[00:06:41] Kelly Cure: Yeah. Haas, sort of my number one. I always respected Cal as an institution and I loved their history of questioning the status quo. I have a bunch of friends in the Bay area, and I thought for entrepreneurship, which I was already quite interested in, this is the place to be. Just looking at Cal, I just thought it lived up to its reputation of having quite a diverse class. I just decided I want to do applications once if I can help it. And so, I applied to a lot of schools. I think I maybe pled to five or six and was just over the moon when I got into Haas. So that was a game changer.
[00:07:19] Paulina Lee: And so, you came straight from Swaziland to Berkeley?
[00:07:22] Kelly Cure: Almost. There was an accidental, wonderful surprise. I had planned to do backpacking for three months and then moved back to the US and have a little bit of time before school started. But I got a job offer that I couldn’t refuse for some more consulting work in Switzerland with this amazing philanthropy, called CNA foundation. Their focus is fashion as a force for good. And just working with their executive director and the executive team. And I just fell in love. I had to condense what would have been three glorious months of backpacking into 10 days, which was still amazing. We did 10 days of camping in Namibia, and then I went to Switzerland. So, from Swaziland to Switzerland, you can’t make this up.
[00:08:09] Paulina Lee: Yes, seriously. Talk about the opposite ends of the spectrum.
[00:08:11] Kelly Cure: I was on the spectrum. The name’s too similar. I was like, this is a joke. But it was phenomenal. They were such an amazing team and company to work for, and it almost felt like it was a great segue back into the U S because it was a developed country, but it wasn’t my “home country”.
[00:08:29] So it was a nice getting my feet back under me and how to live with more structure maybe.
[00:08:37] Paulina Lee: So, when you came to campus in August, what surprised you the most about those first couple of months on campus?
[00:08:43] Kelly Cure: I guess it surprised me that my friend’s advice totally was right. I think still in the back of my mind. I thought there’s going to be probably a small group of people that I really, really connect with that are potentially like the less mainstream students and sort of within day one, week one I was like, “Oh, we are a crew of amazing weirdos.” Everybody is very different. Very diverse comes from really interesting backgrounds. Even if they were working in something more corporate or finance, it doesn’t matter. They’re just phenomenal people.
[00:09:19] I think that blew me away. It blew any expectations out of the water at just how many of my classmates I connected with and that I feel like I’m still getting the gift of getting to meet more students through classes. Even with COVID, the teachers are doing definitely the best they can. We’re doing a lot of breakout rooms and through spontaneous breakout rooms I’ve met and got to work with more students who I didn’t even get to meet first semester.
[00:09:46] So, I would say just the quality of human being was so exciting and fun. That was probably my biggest surprise.
[00:09:55] Paulina Lee: That’s awesome. How would you evaluate your journey so far? I know you’re only a semester and a half in, but what have been your thoughts?
[00:10:04] Kelly Cure I didn’t come in with many expectations in general. Let me say that it feels just like what friends have been saying to me – you seem like a kid in a candy store. I think the beauty and what I loved about living in Swaziland for so long was that if you wanted to do something, you had to start it yourself.
[00:10:22] Which was super fun for me. So, I started a business. For example, I was missing dancing. I’ve danced my entire life, danced in my university, and was really missing the ability to take a dance class in Swaziland. And the only option was to start my own dance class. So, I got to do that.
[00:10:40] And that was phenomenal. I guess coming to Haas, coming to the Bay area, I was just like, “Wow!”. All of this is just served to me on a silver platter every night of the week. There’s not one to five things I could be doing. There’s probably like 10 things that would be very interesting to me and spoiled by choice and just enjoying being back in the US and being back in such a busy, vibrant, big city, with really interesting, diverse people – that’s been amazing. Yeah, the journey has also been, you know, getting back into school for the first time after 10 years has been real.
[00:11:18] Kelly Cure: You know, shaking off some serious cobwebs when it comes to and like, woo.
[00:11:25] But loving that too. And classmates have been super supportive and helpful. So, I would say shaking off the cobwebs and diving into academics as much as I can. And I mean, every day is relentless, ruthless prioritization because there’s so much on. And then the other thing that’s been a big part of my journey is couponing another company on campus which is a surprise to me. My plan was to take this first year and not start anything but to soak up this new culture; what it was like to live in the US and just listen. I got some really good advice from my friend Acon, who just said, you actually learn more by doing.
[00:12:06] And that’s sort of been how I’ve lived my life so far, and he just encouraged me to have a fairly well thought out idea. Just jump in and how I co-founded the company was through a program called StEP.
[00:12:17] So we kicked off with StEP. It’s a really early incubator. You just turn up with an idea and they help pair you with teams. And that was a phenomenal experience. So, we founded a company called FIT’D, and it stands for a Foot in the Door. I co-founded it with one of my classmates, Charlie David men. The company is focused on how do we avail more high quality, long-term job opportunities to marginalized, diverse candidates. Where that came from was my work in Swaziland. When I built the team in Swaziland, it was only hiring people from marginalized communities and they are the fabric of that company.
[00:13:00] The success was built on their diverse experiences. Sometimes what we see, not just in the US but all over the world, is the same people who already have access to great opportunities, just keep getting more access and people who are equally as skilled and qualified, creative, driven, and maybe even better suited for the job, don’t actually even see those opportunities.
[00:13:22] So what we’ve been able to do is ask the question to companies – “Are you interested in hiring more diversity, candidates from a broader range of backgrounds?” And, the answer has been resoundingly, YES. So that’s what we’re working on with fitted right now.
[00:13:37] One huge, happy milestone and honor that we had last month before quarantine and lockdown, we got to pitch to EGAL, the center for equity, gender, and leadership. They have a competition for investing in inclusion every year. And we were able to win that. We got our first bit of funding in March, which was super humbling given the other teams in the competition. It’s just exciting that now we have a little bit of funding to start building.
[00:14:05] Paulina Lee: That’s amazing. Congratulations.
[00:14:08] Kelly Cure: Yeah, it’s been exciting. We’re building our MVP right now. We have two undergrads who are doing startups this semester. They’re exchange students here and absolutely brilliant.
[00:14:17] It’s a diversity job hiring platform, but it’s also a mock interview tool that allows people to practice mock interviewing in their home even if they don’t have access to great bandwidth. They can call in 24/7 and practice mock interviewing and have their results recorded and transcribed and have a mentor that set in the companies that they’re trying to work for review them and give them feedback before they interview. Sort of like trying to level the playing field. At Haas we have all the resources in the world to mock interview with anybody and practice and get feedback from the company before we apply.
[00:14:51] And many other students have been connecting a lot with community colleges over the past couple of weeks. They don’t have any of that access that we do. So just trying to level the playing field and allow these candidates to shine. That’s our mission.
[00:15:03] Paulina Lee: No, I love that. And I think in today’s world, I mean diversity, everyone’s talking it, but it really is what will sustain a company in the long run. Being able to speak to consumers from the whole spectrum, and with that, you need diverse candidates. So, I love the work that you’re doing. It’s so exciting.
[00:15:20] As we think about the kind of the relevant economic environment, what has that meant for you and your teams?
[00:15:26] Kelly Cure: It’s been challenging, but we’re trying to lean into the positive side of it. Just on a day to day basis, it is hard working across time zones with my co-founder. He’s eight hours ahead. And I have a lot of experience being eight hours ahead, having lived in Swaziland for so long, and it’s not easy.
[00:15:44] But he has been fantastic and supportive and we’ve just tried to make it work. It’s been challenging for me because I love being in-person with people. I wish I was in-person with you right now, you know? This technology that we have, I’m so thankful for it, but you always miss a little something in it.
[00:16:03] And with the developers, it’s just a little challenging. But what it’s meant for us is, especially after talking more and more to community colleges over the past couple of weeks. They’ve said a lot of the mock interview tools that are out there right now can’t even be used because students at home or, if they’re not students, they’re non-traditional candidates at home, don’t have access to any wifi or they have lower bandwidth. That’s exactly what we’re trying to build – something like very simple and scrappy right now that can be used by everybody and just trying to lean into that is our focus right now. I guess I love – a friend said to me the other day, she said, you know, after the, after the famous black plague in the 1400s, the Renaissance era came right after that – this amazing era of creativity and intellectual thought and collaboration and abundance. My visual over the past couple of weeks is we have a chance to rethink everything. A lot of these systems were already broken and we didn’t know what to do. Now, those broken systems are exacerbated by the present.
[00:17:10] And we have a chance to rethink everything. Like how do we do this? So, I’m trying to channel that excitement right now about my day to day, and as I think about the business.
[00:17:21] Paulina Lee: I think that’s great. If we think about the current environment your product is going to be more important than ever in terms of where jobs have been and where they haven’t, and just connecting candidates and companies in the right places. I think as people are experiencing work from home, I think it will actually expand opportunities for people as well.
[00:17:42] Kelly Cure: I completely agree. You’ve hit the nail on the head.
[00:17:45] Paulina Lee: I wanted to go back again and talk more about Swaziland. I feel like your experience today and your company with FIT’D at Haas really stems from your time there. What else would you say from your time in Swaziland really gave you that entrepreneurship bug? Or have you always been this way from when you were younger?
[00:18:03] Kelly Cure: Yeah, that’s a really good question. I think I’ve always been a really creative thinker and I’ve always had a lot of ideas that I wanted to run with. But I’ve always really wanted to collaborate with people along the way too. I’ve never wanted to work in solo. I think what gave me a little bit of the confidence maybe and nudge in Swaziland were some of my mentors there. The company that I was working for when I was there, it was growing to about the size of 10,000 people. It was one of the biggest employers in the country. It started 20 years previously by one man and his vision. So, having him as my CEO and the person who I interacted with most – the CEO and executive director – were the two people that I worked with closely.
[00:18:53] Big picture mindset and then giving me the autonomy and empowering me and encouraging me to work completely independently and go as far as I could always go and then just check back with them for guidance as needed. That’s sort of, that really, really supported me. And then another mentor there, Debbie. She wrote my recommendations for grad school. She started as a farmer. She’s a farmer from Zimbabwe and she hired me to move to Swaziland in the first place. She ran the business. It was actually an NGO, but I can’t even call it a nonprofit because she ran it like the leanest startup I’ve ever seen.
[00:19:31] And I learned so much from her. And she always pushed me, expected a lot from me, had really clear, simple advice on how to stand up a business, how to apply for funding, what to ask for, what was reasonable. I think the support of the mentors and then my family is always super supportive, and my friends too. I have a network of amazing people that I don’t know how I got so lucky, but I feel like I rely a lot on them for advice in where to go.
[00:20:03] Paulina Lee: I love that. And you’ve kind of lived all over now, you know, start in the US over to London, Africa, backup to Europe, and now back in the US, what are you thinking postgrad? Do you want to stay state-side or explore other regions?
[00:20:17] Kelly Cure: Such a good question. Where my heart and gut are right now is just really grounded in the Bay area. I feel like the MBA has been so all encompassing that I want to have the chance to live in the Bay area after the program. There’s so much to see here for me, and there’s so much to dive into. That’s what my gut is saying right now. I’m somebody who does a really bad job about long-term planning. I sort of have a feeling of what I want out of life. I would love maybe a bit more of a balance than I’ve had in the past.
[00:20:52] I always get so much out of my work, so I kind of can’t help myself. But I see myself in the Bay area after school. I love the West coast. I’m loving being back in the US right now. I just feel like there’s unlimited social needs. There’re unlimited places to engage and I’m still learning.
[00:21:10] I’ve been back here for nine months now so I feel like I’m just scratching the surface.
[00:21:16] Paulina Lee: You know, I’ve been in the Bay for a while now, but there’s just so much great energy here. The people are amazing. I think you find like a heart of business paired with a heart of community here that you don’t find in other parts of the country.
[00:21:30] Kelly Cure: Yes, absolutely. That’s very well said. I love that. A heart of business in a heart of community. Yeah. It really feels like that.
[00:21:36] Paulina Lee: What are you most looking forward to when quarantine hopefully ends in the next couple of months?
[00:21:41] Kelly Cure: Gosh, I feel like I’m not going to sleep. I’m going to be so excited. Oh my gosh. Most looking forward to maybe yoga classes in person. Yeah. I found a great studio online or a friend recommended it, Ritual Yoga, which has changed my life in the past two weeks. I’ve really been missing that. Coffee shops! I love the energy and the buzz of people all working in the same place. Going dancing, yeah. Everything. Also, nerdily, I think one of the biggest impacts of the quarantine is not being in class together. I mean, hats off to Haas and to our professors for bending over backwards and doing such a phenomenal job, but it’s just not the same.
[00:22:27] I miss being in class with my fellow team members. And I’m also looking forward to a handful of amazing conferences. There was a female founders conference that we were going to be featured at. Just all the events that the MBA gives us access to. Love networking events; getting to go to networking events again. Everything! I’m going to have to force myself to sleep. I’m going to be too excited really.
[00:22:52] Paulina Lee: I’m right there with you. I think that’s the hardest thing. And yeah, our professors are doing a great job and like the virtual classroom, but it’s so different, sitting in your house by yourself, staring at a screen, versus feeling that energy and having those conversations back and forth.
[00:23:07] Kelly Cure: Yes.
[00:23:09] Yes, and I’m such a side commenter in class too. I need the interaction even on a micro level to turn and be like, “Did you understand what this, or I don’t agree.” – I miss that. The chat function is not the same, but it’s all good.
[00:23:26 ] Paulina Lee: For sure. You know, you’ve been a little bit of a serial entrepreneur and you decided to come to Haas, and I think you gave some really good examples and reasons in terms of why you decided on Haas and what you’ve learned so far. Do you have any other advice for others considering to go to business school?
[00:23:45] Kelly Cure: Yes. My advice is just, go to business school. So great. Yeah, exactly. I could say that because I’m somebody who didn’t want to go to business school. I was at Deloitte and Deloitte was like, “Why are you not going to business school? We, you know, we paid for it.” I was like, something doesn’t feel right about right now.
[00:24:08] And I’m so glad I waited. 10 years into my career to go so I guess my advice would be trust your gut above anything. And, maybe if you can spend a little bit of time finding your trusted group of advisors. And, seeing if you can get a few from different backgrounds that balance each other out.
[00:24:33] So yes, I would say trust your gut. Find your advisors. And if you’ve any interest in business school, set up some calls and talk to people or just literally apply.
[00:24:45] Because I feel like what I said, I’m a kid in a candy store. But the amount of opportunity that’s available to you and the breadth of options that are offered up by these programs. The programs put so much effort into their offerings and it’s actually a very creative place to be.
[00:25:05] I think that’s why I’m loving it so much. There’s so much room for creative interaction and collaboration that I would just recommend it.
[00:25:16] Paulina Lee: I mean, I’m right there with you. I think that’s great advice. I think we’re gonna transition now and just do some rapid-fire Q&A. So, what’s been the best part about quarantine for you.
[00:25:27] Kelly Cure: Oh. Good question. So many more safe distance hikes. I’m starting to cycle again. Right now, cycling has just been a commuter activity for me. Like get my ass to Haas on time, usually 10 minutes late, even though we have a 10-minute grace period.
[00:25:42] Still working on my timing. But a friend, UNL and I, we’ve started doing longer cycles again and that has been a saving grace to get next to the ocean and get so far beyond my neighborhood. Be safe and respectful of the quarantine at the same time because we’re cycling in places where there’s no other people.
[00:26:04] That has been amazing. I’m trying to have a little bit better balance because we have to, for sanity, like we have to get out. So, that’s been cool. I’m choreographing. I love to choreograph.
[00:26:19] It’s my happy, happy place is making up dances and dancing. So over on Friday, we recorded a zoom that we’re going to share this week. Also, finally getting my apartment in order.
[00:26:31] I feel like now my house is functional, which is a relief. So those have been the good things. And then just have quality time with old friends and family over Zoom. We were supposed to have a surprise party for my little brother’s 30th.
[00:26:49] So we did a really hilariously rowdy 30th birthday party for him yesterday. That was wonderful.
[00:26:58] Yeah. So, there’s been some, some highlights.
[00:27:03] Paulina Lee: Love it! Since this is a podcast, we always like to understand what our interviewees are listening to. Do you have top three podcasts or top podcasts that you’re listening to?
[00:27:12] Kelly Cure: Oh man, I’m such a podcast nerd. I love Revisionist History. I could listen to that for the rest of my life. I really love things that come up in that podcast. And I just find Malcolm Gladwell, a pretty hilarious human being.
[00:27:30] I’m a total hollow. I built this nerd. I can’t help myself. I really enjoy that podcast. I have been a long time Krista Tippett fan. I really love On Being, but sometimes those episodes are really long. I also like her Becoming Wise snippets. It’s a nice sort of juxtaposition to all the business and capitalistic influences and forces in my life because it helps me connect to my spiritual and creative mind.
[00:27:59] Paulina Lee: What are your top three songs on Spotify?
[00:28:02] Kelly Cure: Oh my gosh. Actually, not on Spotify. Hopefully someday. One of my brilliant artists and wa Johnson, a great friend of mine in Swaziland did a project with her sister, they recorded a super dope beat that I should send to you.
[00:28:19] The asked us all to video tape ourselves. Record ourselves.
[00:28:26] Kelly Cure: I have forever. I’m a child of the eighties and nineties. I can’t help it. But record ourselves singing to her song and dancing to it. So that’s been my number one. It is such a sick beat. I mean, I love RnB. I love, love RnBs. So that’s probably one of my go-tos.
[00:28:42] And then the dance I just choreographed to was a remix of the Kevin Lyttle songs.
[00:28:48] Paulina Lee: Awesome. I can’t wait to see when it comes out.
[00:28:51] Kelly Cure: I can’t wait to see you on Zoom with us, dancing along.
[00:28:54] Paulina Lee: Have you been doing any Netflix binge-ing? Are you on the Tiger King, Love is Blind train or have you opted out?
[00:29:04] Kelly Cure: I’m really bad with Netflix in general. I’m starting to get back into it. It’s sort of like out of my muscle memory because living in Swaziland, we didn’t have great bandwidth there where I was living, So I haven’t done Tiger King yet. I think I have to though. Like, how can we miss out on this?
[00:29:20] What I have watched was, The Americans. I’m obsessed with any food shows. Chef’s Table – the imagery is stunning. And then Restaurants on the Edge. I don’t know if that’s new or if it’s just new to me. Really have been enjoying that. Also, beautiful imagery. I just saw that Heidi Plume and Tim Gunner back with a show. So, I’m assuming it’s a version of Project Runway 2.0, which is like my forever favorite.
[00:29:53] So that’s in my queue. Let’s see who wins. Tiger King or Heidi and Tim.
[00:29:58] Paulina Lee: Right. I’ve a feeling for you, it’s gonna be Heidi.
[00:30:02] Kelly Cure: I think so right. I know.
[00:30:05] Paulina Lee: That’s okay. It’s totally okay. All right. Last one. I feel like I’ve seen on Instagram, everyone’s cooking. Everyone’s making sourdough starters, anything that you’ve cooked or baked that you’re really proud of during quarantine?
[00:30:23] Kelly Cure: No. I’ve been really proud of everybody who is doing that, and I’ve been like. Oh, I’m just not a baker. I would love to be. I think instead, I’m just really proud of all the small businesses who are continuing, so I’ve been supporting them in their baked goods. Shout out to Novalon Bakery. My just number one delicious Berkley favorite, right off of college in Elmwood. They are phenomenal and handling the quarantine so well and they have the best coffee. Gives you like quiet, quiet, nice little buzz if you need some productivity and an amazing baked goods and amazing pizza in the afternoon.
[00:31:05] I’m proud of them.
[00:31:10] Paulina Lee: That’s great. Well, thank you Kelly, so much for your time. You obviously are keeping quite busy doing quarantine and so really appreciate the time you’ve taken today to join us at here@haas.
[00:31:21] Kelly Cure: It’s been such a pleasure. This has been really fun. Thank you so much.
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